We’re All Living in the ‘Mirror World’ Now
March 20, 2026 with Michael Löwy, Molly Crabapple, Adam Serwer, Naomi Klein, Karen Hao, Astra Taylor • Listen
- Michael Löwy is the author of 'Fire Alarm,' contributing to discussions on social or political alarm and awareness.
- Molly Crabapple is the author of 'Here Where We Live Is Our Country,' focusing on societal and possibly geopolitical narratives.
- Adam Serwer is the author of 'Minnesota Proved MAGA Wrong,' focusing on political and social issues.
- Naomi Klein is the author of the 2023 book 'Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World' and 'No Logo,' and co-author of 'End Times Fascism' with Astra Taylor, known for her insights into political shifts and the formation of new coalitions on the right.
- Karen Hao is the author of 'Empire of AI,' contributing to the discourse on artificial intelligence and its impacts.
- Astra Taylor is co-author of 'End Times Fascism' with Naomi Klein, contributing to discussions on political and social dynamics.
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About this episode:
Naomi Klein saw where our politics was headed before most people on the left. Her 2023 book “Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World” is hard to describe. But among other things, it traces the new coalitions Klein saw forming on the right, the ways they were co-opting issues long associated with the left, and finding huge audiences and influence outside existing institutions.
The people and coalitions that Klein wrote about run our world now. We are all living in the mirror world. As she put it, it’s “doppelgangers at the wheel.” So I wanted to have Klein on the show to help understand how that happened, what the left failed to see at the time and the lessons the left should take from it now.
As Klein told me: “The thing about doppelgangers is, in literature, they’re always a message telling you a warning: You have to look at yourself. There’s something about yourself that you’re not seeing.”
Note: We recorded this episode before the war in Iran.
Mentioned:
Doppelganger by Naomi Klein
No Logo by Naomi Klein
“Minnesota Proved MAGA Wrong” by Adam Serwer
End Times Fascism by Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor
Book Recommendations:
Empire of AI by Karen Hao
Here Where We Live Is Our Country by Molly Crabapple
Fire Alarm by Michael Löwy
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