How Trump Has Changed, With Maggie Haberman
July 31, 2026 with Keith McNally, Belle Burden, Michael Scherer, Maggie Haberman, Charlie Savage, Jonathan Swan • Listen
- Keith McNally is the author of "I Regret Almost Everything."
- Belle Burden is the author of the book "Strangers."
- Michael Scherer wrote the Atlantic piece titled "Trump Says He Decides What ‘America First’ Means."
- Maggie Haberman is a White House correspondent for The New York Times who has published hard-hitting reporting about Trump’s second act as president and co-authored "Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump."
- Charlie Savage is the author of the book "Takeover."
- Jonathan Swan is Maggie Haberman’s New York Times colleague and co-author of "Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump."
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About this episode:
The first year of President Trump’s second term was a whirlwind of action: on immigration, on trade, on political retribution. But things seem to me to be slowing down quite a bit. Trump is incredibly unpopular, and he’s now bogged down in a war with Iran that he doesn’t seem capable of ending. He often appears more concerned with his many White House renovations than with whether the Republican Party can hold the House and the Senate in November. So what’s going on in this administration? Where is this all going?
It’s hard to think of a journalist more qualified to answer those questions than Maggie Haberman. As a White House correspondent for The New York Times, she’s published some of the hardest-hitting reporting about Trump’s second act as president and the group of loyalists that now surrounds him.
Haberman, alongside her New York Timescolleague Jonathan Swan, just published an extraordinary chronicle of this extraordinary political moment, “Regime Change: Inside the Imperial Presidency of Donald Trump.” In this conversation, we discuss how decisions get made in this White House, what Trump has achieved so far and what’s really motivating him as we head toward the midterms.
This episode contains strong language.
Mentioned:
“Maggie Haberman on What an Unleashed Trump Might Do” by The Ezra Klein Show
“Trump Says He Decides What ‘America First’ Means” by Michael Scherer
Book Recommendations:
Takeover by Charlie Savage
Strangers by Belle Burden
I Regret Almost Everything by Keith McNally
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